mirror neurons

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so, what do you know? i am curious if any research talk about mirror neurons as mirroring not only motor movements, but affective states and other behavioral components. last i checked, they seemed mainly motor related.
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  • Re: mirror neurons

    Fri, July 18, 2008 - 11:28 AM
    The main thing I've heard of along these lines is a possible link between autism and a deficit of mirror neurons, which are believed to be related to empathy. V. S. Ramachandran of "Phantoms in the Brain" fame is exploring this hypothesis.

    Ramachandran refers in this interview to studies showing mirror neurons activate when watching other people suffer pain:
    www.edge.org/3rd_culture...6_index.html

    While I love edge.org, I have to say I winced at their tacky misspelling "Dalai Llama", which would of course be a reincarnated pack animal in the family Camelidae.

    Brief overview of his research:
    www.sciam.com/article.cfm
    • Re: mirror neurons

      Fri, July 18, 2008 - 12:27 PM
      yes, the link to autism is big. i'm curious about the everyday functions though, and the role they play in social automaticity, customs, memetic transmission and the like. that's why i'm really curious about the social neuroscience dimension of them. i read from rizzolatti's review that they are mainly motor system related though, and that puzzles me, since there is so much talk about empathy and affective mirroring.
      • Re: mirror neurons

        Fri, July 18, 2008 - 4:37 PM
        It's my impression that such theories would be at a very early stage. Note this paper from late last year:
        www.informaworld.com/smpp/co...type=rss

        What do you have in mind by social automaticity? I don't think I've encountered that term. When I see automaticity I think of semantic priming and association, like John Bargh and Timothy Wilson.
        • Re: mirror neurons

          Fri, July 18, 2008 - 5:36 PM
          yes, bargh's work was exactly what i had in mind. i'm curious of any interaction with mirror neurons and phenomena like priming. it seems like an obvious suspect to me as a primary mechanism, though i could see a lot more getting under the gatekeeper's supervision...

          did you see the short movie based on priming i made with naomi bock?

          colorhythm.com/primegreen/
        • Re: mirror neurons

          Fri, July 18, 2008 - 5:42 PM
          thanks for this article cite. i'll track it down at UCSF. damn articles for $28! it's enough to make me wanna go cyberpunk on their asses...
    • Re: mirror neurons

      Sat, February 14, 2009 - 6:43 PM
      Thanks for the link, this was of interest to me....something to think about. Though I 'm not on board with it all being neurology and happening because of Neural Jelly. Lots of information here, however, ...so that's worth a gander in some neural pond.
      • Re: mirror neurons

        Tue, February 24, 2009 - 7:14 PM
        "Though I 'm not on board with it all being neurology and happening because of Neural Jelly."

        what do you mean by "it all"?
        • Re: mirror neurons

          Mon, May 25, 2009 - 7:11 PM
          there is a growing body of researchers trying to make claims to link mirroring with affective states. this is where some of the autism connections start to tie it together. from an anatomical point of view, you have the ventral premotor cortex link to the amygdala through the insular cortex - these have all been implicated in an affective mirroring network.

          in regards to mirror neurons being primarily motor - keep in mind that is their only form of output. they reside in a fairly high level area of cortex that receives all kinds of multimodal information. think about what you need to program a series of motions to complete something as simple as grasping an object (which is what most of the macaque studies centered around) you need proprioceptive feedback, visual and perhaps auditory to guide your movement, information about the object from both visual streams - location (dorsal-parietal flow) and identify (ventral - temporal flow) which tells you what types of interactions you can have with an object in the form of grip shape (precision, whole hand grasp etc..) and this all shapes a series of motor output. the network to program a simple movement is incredibly complex and we still haven't got that one down quite right. making a network of affective states........forget about a good one for now.

          for those interested in reading more about mirror neurons, this is the class page for a course i'm currently taking. articles not from pineda's book are linked to directly from the website (should be free of charge for those non-academics - if not, message me and i'll hook you up) www.cogsci.ucsd.edu/~pineda/...ndex.html

          blue-j, could you elaborate more on the link you're suggesting between priming effects and mirroring? there is definitely a component of 'motor repertoire' for mirroring in that observing movements you are already experienced/capable of doing will causes larger BOLD responses in fMRI, but that I get the sense you aren't talk about experience effects.

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