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Hello,
If I can please explain my situation briefly and hopefully you can somehow help me or at best point me towards the information I need. A close friend of mine (my girlfriend's mother) has some sort of depression/schizophrenia for over 20 years now and has been on prescription drugs since first diagnosed. We are seeking out natural and holistic methods to treat her. Would you please be so kind if you can and share some information on the matter? Be it direct experiences, referrals, techniques, website links, books or any type of info that would help.
Thank you.
Peace and much love!
Roq
If I can please explain my situation briefly and hopefully you can somehow help me or at best point me towards the information I need. A close friend of mine (my girlfriend's mother) has some sort of depression/schizophrenia for over 20 years now and has been on prescription drugs since first diagnosed. We are seeking out natural and holistic methods to treat her. Would you please be so kind if you can and share some information on the matter? Be it direct experiences, referrals, techniques, website links, books or any type of info that would help.
Thank you.
Peace and much love!
Roq
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Tue, December 5, 2006 - 6:14 PMyou might consider consulting with julia ross and the recovery systems clinic:
RECOVERY SYSTEMS
147 Lomita Drive, Suite D
Mill Valley, CA 94941
(415) 383-3611 ext. 1
they specialize in nutritional approaches to mental health issues. i wish your girlfriend's mother all the best luck in her search for more comfort!
also, of course: exposure to nature and animals and sunlight, good food, exercise, full spectrum light source, yoga and stretching... warm water.
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Tue, December 5, 2006 - 6:21 PMAlso keep in mind that there are horrible side-effects directly associated with going off of anti-depressants...there's lots of info on the web about this, too. -
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Tue, December 5, 2006 - 7:12 PMIs she on anti-depressants or medication for schizophrenia? Has she personally expressed an interest in stopping her current medication and trying alternative methods? Have you discussed this with her? -
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Tue, December 5, 2006 - 8:24 PMThank you for your input Jeff and Memory. We will definitely look into it.
Fifi, yes she is on anti-depressants right now. In the last two years she has slowly stopped taking them but like Memory pointed out there are some horrible side effects that come with stopping dedication and not following it up with some sort of other alternative treatment. She was taken to see a psychiatrist recently and subsequently placed into a hospital with the condition of release if she got back onto the anti-depressants. So now we will have to work with that conventional method till she gets released (next Monday) and attempt to get her to try new methods that she hasn’t tried before. She has actually expressed her discomfort in taking that sort of medication, which is really good and a step forward, so that's one of the reasons why we want her to try other treatments and alternatives. -
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Wed, December 6, 2006 - 6:19 AMHi Roqu,
if she's schizophrenic the chances are what you're considering "side effects" because of decreased medication are probably the schizophrenia manifesting itself. If she's depressed it could be the depression manifesting itself. Be careful, schizophrenia can degenerate into manic and psychotic episodes where the person may hurt themselves or others. And depressed people can become suicidal if they go of medication and have no other treatment to help mitigate the depression. And, if they're manic depressive (what is now usually called bipolar) she may become dangerous to others as well herself. If she is going to go off medication she should do so in a methodical and slow way that allows her body to adjust.
I have to agree with Keven that unless you clearly know the diagnosis that attempting to treat it is pretty much impossible, and potentially very dangerous. There's a lot of truth in the saying - a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. If you and your girlfriend's mother choose to try an alternative therapy you should do so in conjunction with a very well trained alternative health practitioner. Please don't give your mother-in-law any herbal remedies while she's on anti-depressants, they can interact very badly. That would mean being off any SSRI type anti-depressants for at least six weeks (if that's what she's on) if she was going to try an alternative treatment.
If she's schizophrenic any reputable doctor will refuse to treat her if she doesn't take medication that's considered necessary to get her symptoms under control. If she's suffering severe depression, and has never undergone any form of talk therapy to get the psychological roots of her depression, then I'd suggest seeing a psychotherapist (psychiatrists focus more on the neurochemical aspects so use medication more, where else psychologists are more focused on talk and cognitive therapy). Talk therapy for a deep and longstanding depression will be long but it's very effective. Sometimes medication is recommended in conjunction with talk therapy, don't automatically poo poo this. It's better for her to be weened off medication once she's more psychologically stable.
And beware of snake oil salesmen in the natural medicine world as well as consulting a variety of medical doctors and psychologists. The simple reality is that not everything is "curable" and some conditions need to be managed with drugs if they're biochemical. Remember, herbs ARE drugs (otherwise they wouldn't work :) They're just not regulated for strength so correct dosing can be difficult, they're also not regulated for purity, and they can have harmful side effects just like prescription medications. If you want to be truly holistic in your treatment, consider ALL options :)
Sunshine, exercise and supportive love are good for everyone...and don't cost anything :)
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Wed, December 6, 2006 - 6:22 AMRoqu, are you involved in discussing her treatment with her doctors? Did you and her daughter take her to see the psychiatrist? Are you both primary caretakers that are physically involved in her day to day life?
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Tue, December 5, 2006 - 11:38 PMYou say she has "some sort of depression/schizophrenia." That's kind of like saying she has some sort of cancer/AIDS, and then asking for advice on how to treat her. If I was you, the first thing I would do would be to try and get her in to see at least one psychiatrist (if not two or three) and get their opinions. If she's had this "diagnosis" for 20-something years, what is the diagnosis and who gave it to her? Whoever is prescribing her medication must have a more specific idea than depression/schizophrenia. but even if they are "certain" that it is, for instance, schizophrenia, psychiatric diagnoses are pretty much a matter of opinion.
You need to get a better idea of what her problem is before you can figure out how to treat it with more "natural" treatments. if it's depression, there is a decent amount of natural treatments, but the treatment would depend on what the symptoms of her depression are. if it's schizoprhenia, I don't think you'll have as good of a chance to treat it naturally. Check out this book:
www.amazon.com/Chemistry-...256-2275223
Good luck,
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Tue, December 5, 2006 - 11:43 PMand strictly speaking, lithium is 100% "natural".
Something that would be good for her to take, regardless of her diagnosis, is fish oil (they're high in omega-3 fatty acids). mega doses. -
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Wed, December 6, 2006 - 11:45 AMKeven- regardell of the fact that "lithium is 100% "natural" as you state. That doesn't mean that is doesn't have all the nasty side effects that all other perscription meds have. You should be very carefull about giving medication advise for a situation as vague as this.
I personally have taken Lithium for my Bi-polar disorder and it made me suicidal, even more than usual. Medications work different for every person, so this should be taken very serious. Before taking any new medications a doctor or multiple doctors should be consulted. -
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Wed, December 6, 2006 - 12:07 PMRashel, of course. This applies equally to alternative and prescription medicines which can both have unwanted side effects. Having worked as a counsellor in a pain clinic (most people with chronic pain are also depressed), I'd highly advise anyone looking for safe ways to physically support someone suffering from depression to consider diet and exercise. They may seem like small things but they're incredibly important in keeping us healthy and sane. Things like eliminating sugar and gluten from one's diet can be very beneficial for some people (and make no difference for others, though cutting out sugar is beneficial even for healthy people), taking Omega3 fatty acids can also be very beneficial (though one should check with their prescribing doctor to make sure that any nutritional supplements won't adversely affect any medication one's already on), regular daily exercise also supports the body's ability to create pain killing and elevating neurochemicals. If you live in a very northern place and/or get very little sunshine vitaminD can also be helpful.
As you so wisely say, we're all individuals so what works for one person may not work for another. One should establish one primary doctor - a doctor whose judgement you trust and you can speak to openly - to serve as the hub for treatment. A mistake people often make is to have multiple doctors, or types of healers, who don't communicate with each other and who they then don't inform about new medications and treatments that may counteract each other or cause even more serious problems. I hope you've found some things that have worked for you :)
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Wed, December 6, 2006 - 4:15 PMRashel, I wasn't giving her advice about taking lithium. I was trying to point out exactly what you bring up, i.e. the fact that lithium can have gnarly side-effects. Lithium is, as I said, 100% natural (it's an element, and is usually prescribe as lithium carbonate, a naturally-occuring salt), and yet it has the potential to have serious side-effects. The point being that "natural" isn't always preferable.
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:37 AMOh, sorry I didn't get that from your previous post.
I am noticing and overwhelming theme though, the fact that these disorders are complicated and different for every individual and that treatment of any kind should not be taken lightly. Do the reaserch and discuss it with a trusted physician before making any treatment descisions.
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Re: Natural/Holistic Drug-free Treatments for Schizophrenia?
Wed, January 17, 2007 - 1:10 PMRoq, I would suggest that as you are looking at alternative treatment strategies, you also consider her history. people are posting about the possibility of your mo-in-law becomeing a risk to herself or others. usually, with a 20 year history, there will be a pattern to her periods of decompensation, and you can look at that history and know how the low points of her illness then to manifest, and so what you are likely to see while changing treatment strategies. ie; her history will give you a sense of the signs, symptoms, and flavor of her decomp pattern. I would also consider psychotherapy while in transition, if she is interested. it can be very helpful to have someone well versed in psychodynamics hold a space to help her work with her symptoms in a way that may prevent her needing to go into a crisis. if there is psychotic process in her history (which the diagnosis of pschizophrenia implies) I personally would suggest someone with a jungian and object relations background, but that's my personal bias. you might also consider reading "living at the edge of chaos: complex systems in culture and psyche" by Helene Shulman (since, she has become Shulman-Lorenz, so if its a reprint or something, i dont know if her name would have changed.... but anyway). it might help give you some perspective on different cultural approaches to psychotic process, as well as some ways to think about whats happening for her. best of luck. b.